Dark Sentiments 2011 – Day 9: The Payzant Family and That Which Befell Them

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9 Responses to “Dark Sentiments 2011 – Day 9: The Payzant Family and That Which Befell Them”

  1. John Payzant says:

    I’m a descendant of these people.

    But to be fair mentions no abuses of Europeans to natives.

    4 of the children were adopted and returned by the Maliseerts in New Brunswick after hearing about the situation

    • Randy says:

      Mr. Payzant, thank you for your comment and the additional information.

      Those were indeed troubled times, and I feel the travails of the Payzant family members who survived the events spoken of here, most particularly Marie, can serve as a shining example of just how tough and resilient the human spirit can be.

      You come from good lines sir.

  2. John Payzant says:

    Two of the children spoke Maliseet. Their native language was French. Mi’kmaq were indigenous to New Brunswick. The Maliseet came later and come from Ojibiway. The two languages are Algonquin based. Cree and Mohawk is also Algonquin. New Brunswick and I think Nova Scotia was called Acadia. Before that the two provinces were called Mi’Maq’ki. Mi’kmaq means friends. Mi’kmaq’ki probaly means friends where they live. John and his son Andrew became ministers. The famous missionary Silas Rand could be related as well. He wrote the Micmac Dictionary.

  3. Anne says:

    It is well documented that Louis Philippe Payzant was killed on the 8th of May, 1756, and his daughter Lizette was born 7.5 months later on December 26–not the 9 months later that you stated.
    My great-great-great-great-grandmother’s birth was definitly not “inconvenient timing.”

  4. Randy says:

    Thank you for your comment Anne. My sources for Marie Payzant’s state of pregnancy at the time of her capture were http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Lunenburg,_Nova_Scotia_%281756%29 – which states that after her capture, “… Maliseet and Mi’kmaq took Marie Anne Payzant (who was in the first month of pregnancy) and her four young children over land and by canoe to Quebec City ….” and http://unpopularnshistory.wordpress.com/2011/08/30/the-lunenburg-raids-1756-to-1759/ which states that, “Marie Payzant was then taken by the French to Quebec City where 9 months into her captivity she gave birth to another child.” Hence, my reference to inconvenient timing.

    None of this is offered to in any way discount what you said. I would appreciate it if you would follow up with some source references for Lisette’s life and times.

    Thanks again.

    • Anne says:

      Thank you for the update; I read the links and there it is. I can only conclude that the Wikipedia writer just didn’t check the math because the dates are right there, including Lisette’s recorded baptism on December 27, 1756. As for the second link, its title (The Unpopular History of Nova Scotia) alone sounds like a quest for extra drama–as if the story of Anne Marie isn’t dramatic enough! I find it interesting that she was 45 years old when she gave birth to Lisette–certainly not a young mother.
      Lisette Payzant married George Jess and they settled in Scot’s Bay, Nova Scotia, where some of their descendants live to this day. There is a Facebook page you may find interesting: Payzant, Louis and Anne Marie Descendants. Click on “DOCS” and you will find more details. The internet has many other references but who knows how much is accurate!

  5. Jan White says:

    Among all the women captured by native Americans during the 18th century, and who survived the trip to Québec, there was no instance of rape by a native-American captor.

    • Randy says:

      Historically, it doesn’t appear that Native men of the period in question found European women to be their cup of tea for sexual encounters of any kind, seeing them as inferior to their own women. I would caution, however, that “no evidence” does not equate with “no instance”, so while the mindset of the Natives rules against it, anomalies can and do occur throughout all places and times. That being said, I do agree that Marie Payzant was at little to no risk of being sexually assaulted while in Native hands. In this and other similar cases, the women involved were seen as commodities of value to the French, and it is to the French that I refer with respect to the timing of Marie Payzant’s pregnancy. Rape of female captives has always been a fixture of European warfare.

  6. El Hansh says:

    The FB page lists many descendants and BTW you might be interested in noting West Hants Heritage Society is having a Ball on March 28 at the Brooklyn Civic Center in NS.(chuckle)

    This is the page: PAYZANT, Louis and Marie Anne Descendants

    Scalping as a form of body count was taught to the indigenous ay Europeans lalong with other disgusting practices as well. Unfortuantely many think it was a barbarous act perpetrated by ‘savages’ in the New World.

    No evidence / no instance Good analogy

    And now, back to Covey Island Shenanigans 😉

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